Comments on: Framing The Question http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/ Strength: noun. the ability to overcome. Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:45:34 -0400 hourly 1 By: Don’t miss these great links! http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-753 Don’t miss these great links! Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:04:50 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-753 [...] provider.  If you’re jumping aboard the biofeedback bandwagon, it might be worth checking out this post about Geoff’s experiences from a lifetime of lifting and [...] [...] provider.  If you’re jumping aboard the biofeedback bandwagon, it might be worth checking out this post about Geoff’s experiences from a lifetime of lifting and [...]

]]> By: GEOFFN http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-728 GEOFFN Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:22:09 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-728 Mike – Good stuff. But to play Devil’s Advocate, isn’t one of the tenets of Gym Movement that you don’t need a coach – the only one qualified to train you is you? Thanks for clarifying… Mike – Good stuff. But to play Devil’s Advocate, isn’t one of the tenets of Gym Movement that you don’t need a coach – the only one qualified to train you is you? Thanks for clarifying…

]]> By: Mike T Nelson http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-714 Mike T Nelson Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:56:20 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-714 Hi there Geoff and friends. Thanks for the info and I appreciate all the thought everyone is putting into movement. Awesome. In regards to biofeedback, my thoughts are that while it should help point you in the right direction, it will never substitute for a qualified coach. EVERYONE needs a coach, even those who are highly skilled in training others as your perspective about yourself is different. I know that for myself, I don't even see things on video that I can spot on others much faster. Add to this that based on different backgrounds and experience, everyone will see even a simple movement a bit different. Biofeedback There are many forms of biofeedback and it has been around for a long time in many forms from heart rate to foot impacts of a track sprinter to high end systems like the Omega Wave that work to incorporate many forms into a system (HRV, skin galvanics, etc). Even at the high end of an Omega Wave system that starts around 20-40K, they are used by coaches. The coach still guides the person into what they feel is the best direction. Biofeedback determines HOW HARD they can push the person on that day at that particular time. It allows you to maximize your ability on that day and done in an intelligent manner, allows for optimal progress. While measurement movement should also help determine which direction to go in, only time will tell us 100% for sure if it is "true" or "proven" Science never really proves anything, it only provides data to support or refute our hypothesis. Each person's results will add to their own data. Is there always a mental component? Yes. and there always will be. It is virtually impossible to separate the mind and body in relation to performance. You can do many things, but you always need to keep in mind the cost. That cost that you want to pay from pain to poor movement to financial and time will vary between each person. Rock on Mike T Nelson PhD(c) Hi there Geoff and friends.

Thanks for the info and I appreciate all the thought everyone is putting into movement. Awesome.

In regards to biofeedback, my thoughts are that while it should help point you in the right direction, it will never substitute for a qualified coach. EVERYONE needs a coach, even those who are highly skilled in training others as your perspective about yourself is different.

I know that for myself, I don’t even see things on video that I can spot on others much faster. Add to this that based on different backgrounds and experience, everyone will see even a simple movement a bit different.

Biofeedback
There are many forms of biofeedback and it has been around for a long time in many forms from heart rate to foot impacts of a track sprinter to high end systems like the Omega Wave that work to incorporate many forms into a system (HRV, skin galvanics, etc).

Even at the high end of an Omega Wave system that starts around 20-40K, they are used by coaches. The coach still guides the person into what they feel is the best direction. Biofeedback determines HOW HARD they can push the person on that day at that particular time. It allows you to maximize your ability on that day and done in an intelligent manner, allows for optimal progress.

While measurement movement should also help determine which direction to go in, only time will tell us 100% for sure if it is “true” or “proven” Science never really proves anything, it only provides data to support or refute our hypothesis. Each person’s results will add to their own data.

Is there always a mental component? Yes. and there always will be. It is virtually impossible to separate the mind and body in relation to performance.

You can do many things, but you always need to keep in mind the cost. That cost that you want to pay from pain to poor movement to financial and time will vary between each person.

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

]]> By: GEOFFN http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-699 GEOFFN Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:39:30 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-699 Chris - That's a whole 'nother post for another time, my friend. But I'll get there. :-) Chris – That’s a whole ‘nother post for another time, my friend. But I’ll get there. :-)

]]> By: GEOFFN http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-698 GEOFFN Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:38:45 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-698 Kira - That's a VERY good point. It dovetails quite nicely into the points I made, and is probably a better point overall. So thanks for making it! I do wonder how the future will turn out for the Gym Movement folks. I think they are on to something, but it's based on Z's 4 Elements of Efficiency and doesn't appear to take into consideration the body's fundamental movement patterns. I've got to get back to them and ask them about it. I've trained way to long now and learned not to ignore them. I think it's important to remember that just because we believe something doesn't make it true or untrue. It either is or is not, regardless of our belief system. Kira – That’s a VERY good point. It dovetails quite nicely into the points I made, and is probably a better point overall. So thanks for making it! I do wonder how the future will turn out for the Gym Movement folks. I think they are on to something, but it’s based on Z’s 4 Elements of Efficiency and doesn’t appear to take into consideration the body’s fundamental movement patterns. I’ve got to get back to them and ask them about it. I’ve trained way to long now and learned not to ignore them. I think it’s important to remember that just because we believe something doesn’t make it true or untrue. It either is or is not, regardless of our belief system.

]]> By: GEOFFN http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-697 GEOFFN Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:34:48 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-697 Yeah, Russ, coming from a HIT background, Brett's advice may sound a little strange at first. But, like you've said, you've already seen so much proof. This will just be even more positive re-enforcement. Yeah, Russ, coming from a HIT background, Brett’s advice may sound a little strange at first. But, like you’ve said, you’ve already seen so much proof. This will just be even more positive re-enforcement.

]]> By: Russ Moon http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-696 Russ Moon Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:49:47 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-696 I have had to retrain my brain and listen a little to Brett, that piece and pattern work IS/can be the workout. If I put my mind there vs. the reps (which I am not suppose to do anyway its a practice or form). So Geoff I am going to sew my parachute between when I exit the aircraft and prior to hitting the ground. I will commit to work on those TGU correctives just as you have outlined and per my KB FTGU to see if that will take me up a notch. It should because if the weak link is eliminated then that power leak should be plugged and more strength should flow through. We will find out, great advice and thank you for the way you put it out there. I have had to retrain my brain and listen a little to Brett, that piece and pattern work IS/can be the workout. If I put my mind there vs. the reps (which I am not suppose to do anyway its a practice or form).

So Geoff I am going to sew my parachute between when I exit the aircraft and prior to hitting the ground. I will commit to work on those TGU correctives just as you have outlined and per my KB FTGU to see if that will take me up a notch. It should because if the weak link is eliminated then that power leak should be plugged and more strength should flow through. We will find out, great advice and thank you for the way you put it out there.

]]> By: Kira http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-695 Kira Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:52:39 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-695 Thanks for this post. One of my key concerns with biofeedback is that it assumes the body is always 'truthful' ... still not sold on that one ... For example, bad posture becomes 'ingrained', it eventually 'feels' natural and 'right' ... i.e. people with hunches 'feel' like they're standing up straight when they're not. That being said, I'm really enjoying experimenting with what Adam & Co are doing. And I'm gonna give there approach a serious testing over the next six months! And the best thing I like about Adam is he welcomes skepticism ... gotta love that :) Cheers. Thanks for this post.

One of my key concerns with biofeedback is that it assumes the body is always ‘truthful’ … still not sold on that one …

For example, bad posture becomes ‘ingrained’, it eventually ‘feels’ natural and ‘right’ … i.e. people with hunches ‘feel’ like they’re standing up straight when they’re not.

That being said, I’m really enjoying experimenting with what Adam & Co are doing. And I’m gonna give there approach a serious testing over the next six months!

And the best thing I like about Adam is he welcomes skepticism … gotta love that :)

Cheers.

]]> By: Chris http://chasingstrength.com/framing-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-693 Chris Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:43:29 +0000 http://chasingstrength.com/?p=294#comment-693 Where does this leave Z? Where does this leave Z?

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